• Compost,  Gardening adventures,  Health,  Hugelkultur,  Other Insects,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Soil,  Vegetables,  Worms

    Don’t Clean Up, Dig It In!

    Use old vegetables to grow new ones!
    Use old vegetables to grow new ones!  Tomatoes, eggplant, peppers, fennel, carrots, string beans, three kinds of basil, and probably other things I’ve forgotten about!

    In January of this year I wrote about Lazy Composting.  Frost had killed off sweet potato and tomato vines,

    Frosted vegetable stems are perfect.
    Frosted vegetable stems are perfect.

    and the soil in the raised garden beds were becoming very low.

    Soil level is very low on the raised beds.
    Soil level is very low on the raised beds.

    Instead of hauling all the vines to the compost heap or bin, I thought I’d create soil in place.  The raised beds are lined with chicken wire to protect veggies from gophers.  Although I didn’t want to disturb the microbes and fungus in the soil, I dug out half the beds down to the wire.

    I dug out half the bed down to the chicken wire.  Miss Amelia and Chickpea checking out the worm situation.  I had to kick them out...the worms stay!
    I dug out half the bed down to the chicken wire. Miss Amelia and Chickpea checking out the worm situation. I had to kick them out…the worms stay!

    Then I layed all those vines right on the soil and covered them up.

    I piled on the old tomato vines, then covered them up with the soil I'd removed.
    I piled on the old tomato vines, then covered them up with the soil I’d removed.

    Then I did the other half…

    Spent tomato vines, with some green 'maters still attached.
    Spent tomato vines, with some green ‘maters still attached.

     

    I dug half down to the chicken wire.
    You can see bits of the vines sticking up out of the first half.  That’s okay!

     

    … and then did the other bed.  Any thick stalks in other beds which didn’t need extra soil I simply cut close to the ground so that their roots can decay in place and feed the wormies.

    Snip off vegetables at the surface and allow the roots to decay in the soil.  Use the tops for mulch, or dig them in, too.
    Snip off vegetables at the surface and allow the roots to decay in the soil. Use the tops for mulch, or dig them in, too.

    I sprinkled the whole thing with a little Epsom salts for the magnesium sulfate, and a little sugar to start the disturbed microbes feeding and reproducing heavily, which would cause them to decompose the vines more quickly.

    In one bed I planted cold weather crops right away; peas, brassicas, garlic, onions and more.  I am a firm practicioner of polyculture, or integrated gardening , which means that I plant an assortment of seeds of plants which will help each other in small areas instead of planting all one thing to a bed.  I can still plant a row of peas so that I can string them up easily, but I’ll plant all kinds of other plants around them.  Usually I don’t plant in a line at all anymore, but rather stake the plants as they need them.  Often they’ll use taller plants as support.  This is why planting peas and sweet peas next to trees and bushes is a great idea (they fix nitrogen in the soil which helps the tree).

    In the other bed I waited to plant until March when the weather warmed up, because I was planting early summer crops.  Here it is the beginning of September, and here are the beds, still producing.  Even the winter veg one.

    Two of the beds, one still with winter brassicas in them in Sept.
    Two of the beds, one still with winter brassicas in them in Sept.

    In the bed to the right there is a yellow current tomato blocking the view, and growing into the tree. You can see a Japanese eggplant, and behind it the red is a pepper.  Under the tomato and along the bed are three kinds of basil, many string bean plants, some of the sweetest carrots we’ve grown, fennel (one of which we allowed to be the host plant for the Anise Swallowtail, which ate the tops.  The bottom of the fennel, which is the part we eat, will still be harvestable).  In the bed to the right is the January plants still alive and kicking.  Collards, kale, garlic, celery, onions, brussels sprouts, kohlrahbi and more.  We’ve harvested most of the garlic and onions. We’ve harvested kale, collards and celery by cutting leaves and allowing the plant to continue to grow.  The stalks are now so thick that it is hard to cut them.  Out of season, these plants have had attack by cabbage moths and other bugs, but because of the integration of plants and the health of the soil, they’ve bounced right back.  I’m harvesting the plants now to feed to the chickens so that I can use the bed for something else soon.

    So what happened?  A teaspoon of great soil has a billion microbes in it, a million fungi, tens of thousands of amebas, bacteria and all kinds of things we don’t even know about yet.  This is a good thing.  This is the secret to continued life on this planet.  Healthy soil doesn’t wash away, doesn’t erode, feeds the underground waterways, grows excellent food for healthy wildlife and healthy humans.  If we feed the soil, we save the planet.  That simple.  That means no Roundup, no GMOs, no chemical (even organic) fertilizer.  Just compost.  Very cheap and easy.

    Vegetables tend to like a soil that is heavier in bacteria than in fungus, although both should be present.  Woody plants such as bushes and trees tend to like a more fungal soil.  The vines that I buried had both dry (stems) and wet (green leaves and tomatoes) on them.  The stems made the fungus flourish in the soil, and the green bits made the bacteria active.  There wasn’t enough matter to become anaerobic, or to rob nitrogen from the soil.  The vines weren’t compacted so lots of soil surrounded all the parts, aiding in quick composting and keeping the soil aerated.  Water could be absorbed better as well.

    If you are starting a garden and want to buy compost, be careful of what stores sell you.  In August I was asked to look at a few raised beds that hadn’t succeeded.  The soil was low in the beds, there were a few straggly pepper plants, a poorly tomato and some brassicas of some sort which were so stunted that they were just green balls of leaves.  When I pulled one up there was white stuff on the roots.  A couple of strawberry plants looked very healthy but unproductive.  I tried the soil and couldn’t get my finger into it because the roots from those poor peppers had made a thick mat just under the surface of the dirt well beyond their dripline.  Two major things were wrong.  One was the dirt in the beds.  Splinters of shredded wood made up the bulk of it.  The woman who had asked me to look at the beds said that she had described her project at Home Depot and they’d recommended two kinds of bagged stuff. I say stuff, because it isn’t soil.  What they recommended would be appropriate for hardwoods such as bushes and trees, or acid-loving plants.  That is why the strawberries were healthy, only they were in the full sun in a searing hot place and would have done much better under the shade of other plants.  I showed the white stuff on the brassicas to her; it was fungal net, which showed the high fungal activity in the soil.  Perfect for trees, not perfect for vegetables.  Also the brassicas are cold-weather plants and just won’t develop in our summer heat here in San Diego County.  They should be planted from October through the beginning of March.  The spongy soil… honestly, I’ve never before felt root mat so thick that I couldn’t wiggle my finger into the soil… was the result of desperate plants and poor watering.  A custodian would occasionally hose water the beds, which meant that he’d shoot some water on them for a few  minutes every day or so.  This topical water didn’t sink into the bark-heavy soil.  It was only enough to water the top, so the plant roots couldn’t go deep.  It was often enough that the plants didn’t die entirely, but survived stunted and striving for water and nutrition that the fungal soil wasn’t providing.  Vegetables (and roses!); indeed, most plants except grasses and seedlings, need deep watering less frequently.  This allows the roots to go where they want to go, deep into the ground where they can mine nutrients and stabilize the plant. My advice for her was to dig in the few plants that were there, use the compost in the compost bin next to the beds, even if it wasn’t decomposed and add some vegetable-friendly soil to the beds to bring up the heighth.  I recommended mixing seeds and scattering them, making sure she planted winter crops, not corn or tomatoes.  I also recommended a long watering twice a week; none when it starts raining.  If it ever does.

    Recommending permaculture techniques to people makes me want to work in the garden!  That is because there is so much life, so much success, so many happy surprises and such great feelings that come out of naturally planted gardens.  Rows of veggies look so neat and peaceful, but beds chock full of veggies are more fun, better tasting and far more productive.

    I just wanted to follow up on the old post about digging in the vines and show you how well the plants did.  I have never fertilized these beds after burying the vines and sprinkling on the Epsom salts and sugar.  All this growth is due to the happy microbes making nutrients available to the vegetable roots.  If you think about it, plants in the wild shed their seeds and then either completely die off or drop leaves.  The seeds naturally grow up through the debris of the last generation.  Makes sense, doesn’t it?

    When these beds are done (if they ever are!  They keep producing!) I will practice no-dig gardening on them and simply cut all the plants at the soil surface and drop the tops.  I’ll plant seeds for winter crops right in among the debris of the summer crops.  They’ll use the nutrients, shade and support of the old crops to grow.  October is a good planting time for winter crops because the weather finally changes and the daylight hours are shorter which these plants need.  What to plant?  Potatoes, garlic, onions, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, peas, broccoli, cauliflower, rhubarb, kohlrabi, celery and much more.  Cover crops when it frosts and allow good drainage for the potatoes when it rains.  Be sure if you buy starter sets that they are guaranteed organic!  Best of all plant organic seeds… they do the best of all and are the best value.

    Have a happy, easy Fall garden!

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • Arts and Crafts,  Gardening adventures,  Living structures

    The Mock Pavilion

    The ground is covered with straw now, and the passionvines have grown about a foot in two weeks since this photo was taken.
    The ground is covered with straw now, and the passionvines have grown about a foot in two weeks since this photo was taken.

    It was clear that if I wanted to have any group of people over in the summer and have them survive, that I’d have to have a shade structure.  I have an EZ-Up, which is anything but easy especially when going down, but the shade it provides is minimal and only appropriate at high noon.  I had a look at the line of Eugenia trees right behind Harry Mudd, the cob oven.  The trees had been planted by the previous owner to block the view of the horrendous piecemeal sheds he’d nailed together (most of which have now become walkways and structures).  They had been trimmed up during the removal of the sheds to giant lollypops with floppy arms.  Floppy arms that often broke under the weight of the fruit the trees bore.  I thought that some of these trees could make a good gazebo. Click here to learn about the benefits of tree trimming

    I talked to Steve about it.  Steve works on my ponds and irrigation, and now just about anything else I need to have done since he is skilled in carpentry and other talents which I am not.  Steve cut down some of the trees and for some he used professional services – check this link right here now, brushed them and we discovered that they weren’t very tall at all.

    Steve cutting down some of the Eugenia.  Harry Mudd is covered with the blue tarp.
    Steve cutting down some of the Eugenia. Harry Mudd is covered with the blue tarp.

    At the time I was touring a new friend through the garden who offered some very long cedar logs.  Here began a fiasco having to do with hauling a trailer, misunderstandings, and a lot of very heavy long logs which weren’t used and now need to be returned, but I will not explore that here.

    I had a garden party planned; the first large party I’ve ever had.  I thought that the end of June would be a perfect time before the hot weather hit.  Life laughed at me and began a series of intensely hot days more associated with the end of July.  So I told Steve to just buy the wood and build the thing.  He did, and I covered it with some very expensive shade cloth.  By two of the pillars have been planted red passionfruit vines.  When they grow to the top, I’ll replace the shadecloth with wire so that the passionvines can become a living shady roof with fruit dangling down.

    This structure, along with some borrowed EZ-Ups, saved the day for the party, which had temperatures in the low 90’s (lower than anticipated, thank goodness!).  The structure is similiar in look to the Fowl Fortress, so it doesn’t seem so out of place, and it is very comfortable to be under during this intense summer.

    Nice and cool, with easier access to Harry Mudd.
    Nice and cool, with easier access to Harry Mudd.

    Why the Mock Pavilion?  Perhaps because it isn’t really a pavilion, just a large shade structure with a piece of plywood over a couple of wooden pallets as a stage.  Really it is because Steve’s last name is Mock, and I couldn’t resist.

  • Animals,  Bees,  Gardening adventures,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures

    Why Is July So Busy?

    Quentin holds a frame full of wax-capped honey cells while Miranda looks on.
    Quentin holds a frame full of wax-capped honey cells while Miranda looks on.

    Whew!  What an early hot spell, and what a lot of things to do!  The daylight is longer but animals, plants and people have a way of filling it all up.  It is almost 9 pm again and still no dinner for humans this night.  It is cooking.  We’ve had a sick kitty, Maow, who we had to put to sleep due to kidney failure yesterday, and our ancient dog Sophie keeps us busy nursing her.  She refuses dog food and only will eat veggie sausage and eggs, but none of our hens are laying in this hot weather.  One of our chickens, Chickpea, had an egg break inside of her and had to have an Epsom salts warm sink bath which worked its chicken magic and pulled her through.  Tonight our partially blind Rhode Island Red, Madge, has been acting funny so into the sink she went.  The hens all like the warm bath so much that we don’t have to hold them down.

    The garden produce has been good and keeping up with ripening fruit while beating the birds to it has been my newly graduated collegiate daughter’s role.  Irrigation difficulties have created large problems, however, and lots of seeds never germinated, and several crops have shrivelled due to irregular or not enough water, while some others were drowning because of holes in the lines.  Minerals from our hard water have clogged up holes in the lines, and running vinegar through the system seems to dissolve the calcium pretty well.  If only it repelled the gophers who occasionally nip the underground lines, or the weeding tools that unerringly nick them.

    Quentin and Miranda with one of the new  hives of Italian bees put up two months ago.
    Quentin and Miranda with one of the new hives of Italian bees put up two months ago.

    We have two co-op bee hives, set in place by Quentin Alexander of BeehiveSavers.com.  He performs humane bee removal, and also has the co-op program where he sets up hives in your yard with calm Italian bees. You pay for the equipment, and he monitors the hive for a year to study the bees and see what is affecting  the disappearance  of  European honeybees.  He harvests the honey and gives you half of it, too.  This is a perfect set-up for me since I just don’t have the time to deal with the bees anymore, and because I swell up when stung now.  We had a swarm in a stack of empty bee boxes next to our trashcans for a couple of years and they never gave us any trouble, but I wanted to move them to the Bee Garden.

    Quentin beginning to move a two-year hive that had settled in my stack of supers. The bees objected.
    Quentin beginning to move a two-year hive that had settled in my stack of supers. The bees objected.

    When Quentin moved them a few months ago, he found out that they were an enormous ‘hot’ hive… pretty aggressive.

    Bees complaining about having their home ripped apart... I can't blame them.
    Bees complaining about having their home ripped apart… I can’t blame them.

    Yesterday he came with two ‘nuc’s, or ‘nucleuses’.  A ‘nuc’ is a new queen bee and about a pound of workers devoted to her.  With my daughter’s help, and with me hanging back with the camera, he opened the moved hive.  It was breezy, humid, mid-day and in the 90’s, all bad conditions for opening a hive.

    The wild hive wrapped with the 'hot' queen isolated in one of the supers by queen excluders.  She will be replaced by a gentle queen.
    The wild hive wrapped with the ‘hot’ queen isolated in one of the supers by queen excluders. She will be replaced by a gentle queen.

    He looked for the old queen and couldn’t find her, so trapped her in one of the three boxes he thought she was in, moved honey and larvae over to two new boxes and set up the new queens.  The idea is that the new kinder and gentler queens will breed more docile bees, and in a few weeks the whole swarm will not only have been divided into two but will have produced calm bees.

    Explaining this to bees who were stressed from drought, heat, direct sunlight and humidity while tearing apart their hive, taking out brood and honey and looking to kill their queen, was a different story.  A normal hive can have 60,000 bees or more in it at its peak.  This was a larger hive.  The bees decided that Quentin – and anyone else in the area – were going down with them.  I don’t blame them.  Attack my family and I’d come after you, too.  Quentin’s gloves were studded brown with a forest of stingers.  The neighbor called asking about bees because his gardeners were stung.

    Miranda surrounded by very angry bees.  No stings penetrated her bee suit, but on a humid day in the mid-90's that suit sure was hot.
    Miranda surrounded by very angry bees. No stings penetrated her bee suit, but on a humid day in the mid-90’s that suit sure was hot.

    We had to walk the property, roll in some jasmine to mask the ‘anger’ pheramone with which our bee suits were covered, and dash into the house.  Quentin drove off in his suit with bees in his car – not an unusual sight for a beekeeper, but with the BeeHiveSavers logo on the side it looked very appropriate.  We had to stay in the house until dusk when the bees went to bed (they don’t fly at night).  Today the rest of the property was back to normal, but we did stay away from the Bee Garden for several more days. There are peaches to harvest in there, too, but we’ll have to donate some to the birds.

  • Bees,  Gardening adventures,  Other Insects,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Seeds,  Soil

    Hairy Vetch

    Attractive flowers and seeds.
    Attractive flowers and seeds.

    Hairy vetch (Vicia villosa), also known as winter vetch is a nitrogen-fixing plant that is used mostly for cover-cropping in monoculture fields. Native to Europe and Asia, it is a winter plant sown in the Fall and, in places where it snows, is killed off with the cold or tilled into fields.  When a nitrogen-fixing plant dies or is cut back, roots die and release the nitrogen nodules into the soil.  Here is sunny San Diego the vetch thrived since I sowed it in Spring of last year.  It is a pretty, vining plant, with lovely dark purple blooms that bees and other pollinators love.  It produces pea pods like its edible relative the fava bean, but I wouldn’t eat them.  The seeds may be bad browse for livestock as well.  The roots help hold soil during winter rains, too.

    Hairy vetch clamboring all over the place
    Hairy vetch clamboring all over the place

    Vetch can be hard to get rid of because it reseeds easily.  It will also climb up bushes, competing with the bush for sunlight.  If I didn’t know about the nitrogen-fixing properties and if the bees didn’t like it so much, I’d suspect it of being an invasive.

    To control it I take my trusty hand scythe and cut the vetch out of bushes and close to the ground.  I leave the vines to decompose and protect seedlings that I plant to take advantage of the newly-enriched soil.

    A mass of sweet peas climbing a dwarf orange.
    A mass of sweet peas climbing a lavendar.

    If you don’t want a cover crop that is so aggressive I suggest sowing a mixture of lupine, sweet peas, edible peas and fava beans in the Fall here in Southern California, and again in early Spring.  In cold areas check with your farm advisor on when to plant.

  • Gardening adventures,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Soil

    Fruit Tree Guilds: Making Your Trees Healthy and Happy

    An unripe Buddha's Hand citron.  When bright yellow it freshens a room with a citrusy floral fragrance; is zest is wonderful in cooking and it can be candied.  Or simply stuck up a sleeve and used to frighten people.
    An unripe Buddha’s Hand citron. When bright yellow it freshens a room with a citrusy floral fragrance; is zest is wonderful in cooking and it can be candied. Or simply stuck up a sleeve and used to frighten people.

    A guild in permaculture terms is, as you know, an arrangement of symbiotic plants that serve as a plant community for the benefit of the whole.  Visitors to Finch Frolic Garden often remark that planting guilds sounds so difficult; that they’d need to study so much about plants that it would be impossible for them to do.  Not so. However, it isn’t just a whole bunch of plants planted so that they are stepping on each other’s shoes. The typical permaculture plant guild is defined by plants which do these functions: an upper canopy tree (shade, mulch from falling leaves, deep tap roots, roosting for birds which poop, hunt, etc., traps humidity, catches and filters rain and fog moisture), a lower canopy tree (same functions but shorter), a ground cover (habitat for small hunters and moisture trap), a miner plant (deep tap root to bring nutrients from deep in the soil to its leaves which deliver said nutrients when they decompose, and tap root breaks up soil and gives passage for water and worms), a nitrogen-fixing plant (works symbiotically with bacteria to trap nitrogen from the atmosphere on root nodules, which release into the soil when the top dies), and a pollinator-attractor (flowers for bees and all the tiny native bees, wasps and flies).

    Buddha's Hand citron (Citrus medica) happy in a guild of yarrow, sweet peas, artichoke (the leaves of which are regularly slashed and dropped), Cleveland sage, scented geranium and a variety of bulbs.
    Buddha’s Hand citron (Citrus medica) happy in a guild of yarrow, sweet peas, artichoke (the leaves of which are regularly slashed and dropped), Cleveland sage, scented geranium and a variety of bulbs.

    The formula isn’t that complicated.  I challenge you to come up with an example of each right now.  Yes, you can do it.  (Dum dee dum… I’m waiting for you to be done before I move on. ) Have it?  Okay, here’s a quick example.  Mulberry, dwarf peach, strawberries, carrots, sweet peas, dwarf yarrow and fava beans.  The canopy trees will lose their leaves allowing sun to warm the understory plants in the winter.  Strawberries make an excellent ground cover that grows food and loves the fungus-rich loam made by decomposing leaves.  Carrots like cool weather and will thrive until ready to be pulled (and tops broken off and thrown on the ground) about when the trees fully leaf out.  Sweet peas attract insects, smell great, and as a bonus are nitrogen fixers, and can twine up the tree trunks.  Dwarf yarrow helps choke out grass, is used for many purposes including as a dye plant, and its flowers are clusters of small flowers perfect for the tiny pollinators, and bush peas are completely edible and also fix nitrogen.  See?  Easy.

    Just in time for summer's heat, a kabocha squash is rapidly covering the ground around the variegated dwarf orange and a young pink guava. I have to pull squash out of trees because they think they own the world, and it hurts to hit your head on a dangling pumpkin.  I leave the vines to decompose in place after harvest.
    Just in time for summer’s heat, a kabocha squash is rapidly covering the ground around the variegated dwarf orange and a young pink guava. I have to pull squash out of trees because they think they own the world, and it hurts to hit your head on a dangling pumpkin. I leave the vines to decompose in place after harvest.

    I have many, many trees which were all planted at the same time, and some of them have been neglected.  A combination apple tree had been planted in extremely heavy clay and it hasn’t grown much in two years although it keeps trying to produce fruit.  Bermuda grass (I cross myself when I mention it) has infiltrated the area to about four inches down.  It is helping to break up the clay, but it is also choking out everything else.  Plant guild time.

    Bermuda grass in heavy clay right next to the trunk: no good.
    Bermuda grass in heavy clay right next to the trunk: no good.

    Last weekend I spent about three hours in the morning (mercifully before the June gloom dissipated so I didn’t roast in the heat) digging up and pulling out as much Bermuda grass as I could from the clay.  I’d even soaked the area well the night before.  That was the stuff of cob ovens.  When I’d finally cleared past the tree (I’ll continue another day; there’s only so much of that my hands can take!), I shoveled in some pigeon guano that my good friends up the street deliver to me (tied with a ribbon!  Christmas comes all year for a gardener!).  The guano is very high in urea… you can smell the ammonia, but it also has feathers, corn and pigeon peas in it.  Pigeon peas are a perennial legume that set nitrogen and produce wonderful pea pods for stir-fry.  I watered it in well.

    This apple was planted in clay in this planter.  Never create a planter around an existing tree; mulch around the trunk will kill it.
    This apple was planted in clay in this planter. Never create a planter around an existing tree; mulch around the trunk will kill it.

    I had purchased some plants for the area, but to keep costs down just chose some that would fill out and help choke out the angry Bermuda grass bits yearning for revenge.  Also, the tree is close by Harry Mud, the cob oven, so I wanted  pizza-themed plants for easy picking.  I planted strawberries right by the trunk inside the gopher cage in which the tree is planted.  They will help retain moisture without compromising the bark of the tree.  You never want to pile mulch up around the base of a tree above the root ball because you will rot your tree.

    I also planted a tomato, a perennial basil, garlic chives all around the edge (bug protection), sunflowers, a prostrate rosemary and French tarragon.  The pigeon peas and corn will very likely sprout.  What I didn’t have was an upper canopy, but the tree is on the east side of a shed which protects it from the worst of the summer afternoon sun, and there is a grapevine nearby which produces leaf litter.  When daffodil bulbs are readily available in the late Fall I’ll plant a ring of them around the drip line.  Gophers don’t eat them, they help keep away the grass, they break up the soil and they are one of my favorite flowers (ranking second to sweet violets).  All these plants as they grow up, down and across will help the apple tree, and the apple tree will help them.  All of them produce food within easy reach of the cob oven and outdoor dining, are attractive and smell good, too.  The tree should flourish.  I don’t kid myself that I won’t be pulling Bermuda grass in the future, but the plants will help control it by shading and crowding out.

    It doesn't look like much now, but there are eleven support plants/seeds to help the apple tree now.  Friends!
    It doesn’t look like much now, but there are eleven support plants/seeds to help the apple tree now. Friends!

    If you have citrus trees you should plan a little differently.  When trying to understand a plant, think of where it came from and in what growing conditions it thrived.  Avocados are from South America, with humidity, rainfall, protection from intense heat, deep leaf litter and adequate drainage.  Stonefruit are from areas with cold winters; their leaf drop keeps the roots protected from the freezing that triggers the trees to set fruit (chill factor).

    This citrus was planted before the bamboo grew up to shade it.  Notice how the leaves grow straight up, and none below?  It is aiming to collect light at noon, which is the only direct sun that it receives.  He needs to be moved.
    This citrus was planted before the bamboo grew up to shade it. Notice how the leaves grow straight up, and none below? It is aiming to collect light at noon, which is the only direct sun that it receives. He needs to be moved.

    We think of citrus trees perfuming the air of Spain, Greece or Arabia, but actually they come from Southeast Asia and before that, New Guinea and Australia.  All of these places have warm or hot temperatures and plenty of sunlight.  Although you can plant stonefruit close together, for citrus it is best to ensure that the trees receive lots of direct sunlight or they will drop leaves and have stunted growth.

    This citrus receives sun all day, and is very happy with the tomato, roses and sage that surround it.
    This citrus receives sun all day, and is very happy with the tomato, roses and sage that surround it.

    Raking all the leaves out from under your trees is so wrong.  The tree drops leaves because it needs them on the ground around its roots, not because its careless or its waiting for a human to come by and clean up its mess.  Leaf mulch makes the ideal conditions for microbial growth and perfect soil, so let it sit.  Augment the mulch by giving your tree company of other plants.  Unless the tree is allelopathic (secretes a substance that keeps anything from rooting nearby so that it doesn’t like competition, such as walnuts and eucalyptus) then in nature it reseeds close by and allows other plants to grow under it.  Give your trees some appropriate company, and you’ll be rewarded with lots of food, medicine, habitat and very little work except for harvesting.  Can’t beat that with a stick.

     

  • Animals,  Chickens,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Pets,  Quail,  Seeds,  Vegetables

    Updates on Crate Potatoes, Nursery Plants and Chicks

    "Whaaa...???"
    “Whaaa…???”

    Spring has brought its fervor of growth, of veggies, babies and weeds.  Between my bouts of sneezing from pollen (great thing for a gardener to have!), and while the day is very warm outside, I thought I’d update you on how things are going.

    A couple of weeks ago I posted about growing potatoes in milk crates.  Success so far.  The potatoes are growing quickly and coming through the second layer of crates.

    Potato greens emerging through the second layer of crates.
    Potato greens emerging through the second layer of crates.

    I need to backfill with more compost.  The potatoes planted in the raised beds have been hilled up as much as the sides will allow.  If I am ambitious, I may find some long pieces of cardboard to raise the sides higher, and fill some more.

    More potatoes!
    More potatoes!

    Potato greed!

    My nursery bed is mostly ready for transplant out into the larger garden.

    Yes, the rubber snake keeps the birds away.
    Yes, the rubber snake keeps the birds away.

    I need more berry baskets to help keep them safe, and I need to build support systems right away for tomatoes and other crops I want to keep off the ground.

    The chicks are about a month old.  They’ve been living in the downstairs bathtub with heat lamps.  There are only seven chicks now.  We purchased the eleven on a Wednesday afternoon.  By the next evening four were ill.  All four died during the night, even after my daughter and I kept them warm and full of antibiotic/vitamin water.  We don’t know what happened to them, but at least it wasn’t something that took the whole flock.  There are always casualties with day-old chicks.  They are shipped in the mail straight out of the egg, with a variety of temperatures, food and terrors.  When purchasing a large amount of chicks straight from the hatchery, you’ll often receive extra chicks to ‘make up’ for those that perish.  Our chicks that died were both light Brahmas, Annabelle Lee and Daisy, Ruby, one of the Rhode Island Reds, and Hermionie, one of the Americaunas.  The rest are growing just fine, although I noticed today that Belle, the remaining Americauna had come to some injury within the last week.

    Belle's injured beak.
    “I’m Belle, the Americauna, and I’m beautiful even with a dislocated jaw.”

    Her lower beak is crooked and jutted forward, doubtless an injury caused by flinging herself around in the bathtub with the rest of the girls.  She is eating well and seems to be aggressive, and there wasn’t anything I could do to the beak with my fingers through massage or gentle manipulation, so I think she’ll have to see it through. UPDATE: my daughter says that she might have ‘crossbill’, which is a genetic condition that gradually shows up.  Not much to do about it; some hens thrive and some can’t.

    There is always the chance that some of the remaining seven, especially the straight-run cochins, are males, and they will have to find other homes.  I’m really hoping for all hens.

    Today I not only took the girls out of the bathtub for the first time on a field trip to the warm and safe back porch, but also introduced them to Viola the House Chicken.

    "What the heck are those?"
    “What the heck are those?”

    Viola stays in the front yard all day alone, and then comes into the house to her cage at night.  She’ll lay in the dog house on the porch where Homer, our lost desert tortoise used to sleep.  The chicks are flighty, both in personality and in how they are trying to exercise their wings by sudden wild bursts of flapping that take them off their feet: a surprise to all including themselves.  They discovered sunshine, leaf bits, perching,

    I can perch!
    I can perch!

    and that Viola was absolutely afraid of them.  Viola did all she could to get back into the house through the screen while complaining horribly.

    "Get me away!  I'm going through the screen if I have to!"
    “Get me away! I’m going through the screen if I have to!”

    I realized that she needed to lay and the chicks were blocking her entrance to the doghouse.  I let her in and barricaded the pathway and she settled in whirring grumpily to herself.

    "Can't you see I'm doing serious stuff here?"
    “Can’t you see I’m doing serious stuff here?”

    Just now I heard her complaining at the top of her lungs to find that the chicks had visited her, and one bold one in particular, aptly named Bodacea, was standing next to her either inquisitively or in horror. I seperated them and they all calmed down.

    "I'm Mulan, a black chochin, and I have feet feathers and a cute butt."
    “I’m Mulan, a black chochin, and I have feet feathers and a cute butt.”
    "I'm either Esther or Myrtle, a buff orpington, and she does have a cute butt."
    “I’m either Esther or Myrtle, a buff orpington, and she does have a cute butt.”

     

    "I'm Charlotte the Rhode Island Red, and I'm going to be just like Viola some day.  Without the limp."
    “I’m Charlotte the Rhode Island Red, and I’m going to be just like Viola some day. Without the limp.”
    "I'm Bodacea, a blue cochin, and I have a cuter butt."
    “I’m Bodacea, a blue cochin, and I have a cuter butt.”
    "I'm Malaika, and a Turken isn't a cross between a turkey and a chicken!  We were bred in Transylvania.  Go figure."
    “I’m Malaika, and a Turken isn’t a cross between a turkey and a chicken! We were bred in Transylvania. Go figure.”
    "I'm either Esther or Myrtle, the other buff orpington.  The cuter one, obviously."
    “I’m either Esther or Myrtle, the other buff orpington. The cuter one, obviously.”

    The nights are still cool and I still have a rat problem in the Fowl Fortress (I’ve been installing a couple of my cats in there overnight to help discourage the looting) so I’m waiting until maybe next week to introduce the girls to the rest of the flock.  I’ll oust the Saki the male quail and let the girls take over his house.  Its all so complicated!

     

     

  • Animals,  Bees,  Chickens,  Gardening adventures,  Other Insects,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Quail,  Seeds,  Soil,  Vegetables

    Protecting the Little Guys… and a little about diatomaceous earth

    Current tomato seedlings
    Current tomato seedlings

    When transplanting little plants out into the big garden it feels like sending your child off to their first day at Kindergarten.  All kinds of things can happen to them in the big world.  For children… that’s too large a topic for me (Kindergarten mother survivor here).  For plants I can give you some advice.

    Besides watering too much or too little, and root disturbance while transplanting, little guys can be eaten by bugs, birds or other animals, or simply get lost and overlooked.  (Here is a container growing tip: as your seedlings sprout and grow, gently pass your hand across them every time you are with them.  It will make for stronger stems.) (And its fun!)(And you can pretend you’re ruffling their hair and say things like, “Hi, Sonny.”  Or not.)

    Celery sown in a flat.  Don't let the small top size fool you.
    Celery sown in a flat. Don’t let the small top size fool you.

    A day before transplanting out of a container or from a nursery bed, water the sprouts well.  If they’ve been in containers for awhile those roots may be going in circles and the water can’t  penetrate from the top very well.  If that is the case, put the pots in water for half an hour until moisture is wicked into the pot thoroughly, then allow to drain.  I say to do this the day before because if you water just before planting the soil around your root ball will fall apart, breaking fine hair roots and shocking your poor little guy.  Some plants hate their roots being touched so much that this would kill them.  By the next day after watering the container will still be moist, but the soil should be solid enough to stick together when tipped out.

    That same celery plant...roots five inches long!
    That same celery plant…roots five inches long!

    Dig a hole twice as wide and twice as deep as your plant, then backfill with a mixture of good compost and the soil from the hole.  This will help acclimate the roots to the soil change.  Water the hole, and if you’re really industrious water with compost tea.  Set your plant into the hole and firmly press the soil around the plant.  If you are planting tomatoes, eggplant or peppers (all in the same family) you can set the plant more deeply into the hole; they will form more roots from the stems and become sturdier.  The rule of thumb otherwise is to plant so that the soil level of the hole is the same as that of the transplant; many plants will rot if soil is up against their stem.  If it is too low, the roots will be exposed and dry out.  Potatoes can be trenches and hilled up as they grow, or maybe you will try trashcan or crate potatoes.  If you live in an arid area, plant in shallows so that rain can accumulate around the plant.  If you live in a wet area, plant on hills so water can drain off.  Or if you’re practicing permaculture, plant on the swales!

    So your little guy is in the ground and gently tamped in.  To keep off the birds and bunnies and mice and rats and whatever else is looking for dinner, I use plastic berry cartons turned over and set in place with sticks or with rocks on top.  Reuse and repurpose!  They are also good for protecting figs . The cartons allow enough sun in, and also makes it very obvious where the seedling is so that you don’t step on it, or weed the little tomatoes out with the almost identical ragweed sprouts.  For larger plants, turn over a milk crate.

    Chard and eggplant with cool hats on.
    Chard and eggplant with cool hats on.

    I have no native quail in my yard.  Due to nearby houseing developments, there aren’t many quail around me anymore.  Quail would fill the niche of beetle and sowbug eaters.  My hens want only worms, spoiled things, and their big feet do a lot of damage if not watched.

    Nothing like a dirt bath on a warm day.
    Madge and Chickpea: Nothing like a dirt bath on a warm day.

    Sowbugs cluster under mulch and do damage to stems and fruit.

    Sowbugs waiting for strawberries to nibble.
    Sowbugs waiting for strawberries to nibble.

    I use a little food-grade diatomaceous earth around the seedlings, new sprouts in the garden, around the strawberry plants, and also around plants such as artichoke, corn and chard where ants have begun to farm aphids.

    Ants farming aphids on chard.
    Ants farming aphids on chard.

    I use it around the trunks of my stonefruit trees to stop the ants, and have been told that it works well around the legs of beehives in lieu of or in combination with cups of oil to keep out the ants.  Diatomaceous earth is the finely ground bodies of ancient sea creatures (diatoms).  The powder on a microscopic level is full of sharp edges.

    Aphids on chard.
    Aphids on chard.

    When a sectioned insect such as an ant, flea or sowbug crawls on it, it rasps their tender areas  and dessicates them.  Not something I really am happy about doing to the bugs. I’m only using it on a very small scale.  Remember that any insecticide, even DE, kills many kinds of insects not just the targets.  You don’t want to eradicate your insects; most of them are helping your plants and your soil. DE will melt into the soil when watered, but only reapply if you still see the target bugs.  The problem might already be taken care of.

    A sprout, a squeeze and a hat.
    A sprout, a squeeze and a hat.

    Use food-grade DE, not the kind that is sold in pool supply stores.  FGDE is used in graineries to keep weevils and other bugs out of grain and beans, so you’ve been eating it for years without knowing it.  It doesn’t hurt us, nor is it bad to breathe (some people wear masks that they can get from https://accumed.com/n95-mask-for-sale-respirator-safety-face-mask-z1.html, just in case).  It is a great, natural and inexpensive way to fight fleas without paying big money for poisons to put on your pet.  I have it all over my cats’ bedding.

    They sell DE sprayers, but they become clogged.  The easiest and least expensive applicator (which can be repurposed)?  A condiment dispenser.  You know, the plastic mustard and ketchup squeeze bottles in diners.  I bought a set of two for $2.  You can practice a little to dispense a finer dust.

    The plant guild into which I'm planting the little guys.
    The plant guild into which I’m planting the little guys.

    So I plant my little guys, give them a drink, squeeze a little DE around them, give them a berry basket hat until they outgrow it, then take it off to use elsewhere.  If there is still a threat to your plants from critters (somebody was eating my eggplant leaves last year!  I mean, really…ick!), then turn a wire gopher cage over the top or make a wire cage to fit and use sticks or landscape staples to fasten into the ground..  These, too, you can reuse yearly.

    In this plant guild, the combination of other plants will also help hide the scent of the new little guy, until he turns into a full melon vine and takes over!
    In this plant guild, the combination of other plants will also help hide the scent of the new little guy, until he turns into a full melon vine and takes over!
  • Compost,  Gardening adventures,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Seeds,  Soil,  Vegetables

    Crate Potatoes

     

    Milkcrate potatoes!
    Milkcrate potatoes!  This area receives sun for half a day and is shaded on the West side; perfect for keeping them cool.

    I’ve been frequently asked to write about trashcan potatoes.  I haven’t yet, simply because I don’t have a trashcan to use for that purpose. Instead I used what I had and am experimenting with milkcrate potatoes. I’ll let you know how it works.

    The potatoes that work in trashcans are any of the standard potatoes in the Solanaceae family, related to tomatoes and eggplants; sweet potatoes and yams are in the morning glory family and grow very differently. A good article with photos that shows growing potatoes in a barrel is at greenupgrader.com.  There are many videos on the web about growing trashcan potatoes; a good one is at Farmers Almanac .  Two things that she does in this video that I do differently is that after cutting the ‘eyes’ of the seed potatoes, I allow them to harden off for a day or so before planting, and also potatoes can grow with less than 8 hours of light a day which makes it a good over-wintering crop, especially  here in Southern California.  Potatoes like shorter daylight and cool night temperatures, so plant now!  If you plant later, protect the trashcan from the afternoon sun.  Hardening off means to allow the cut potato to sit  in the shade for a day or so to allow the cut end to form a ‘scab’, or harden up before planting.  It helps keep the potato eye from molding and provides protection from insect or bacterial attacks, and keeps drier soil from leaching water out of the potato.  This is the same process you’d do when taking cuttings from cactus, geraniums and other easily-rooted, sappy plants.  When watering trashcan potatoes, don’t overwater because you’ll rot them. Like their cousin the tomato they’ll do better slightly drier than wetter.

    Organic chitted potatoes.
    Organic chitted potatoes.

    ‘Seed’ potatoes aren’t potato seeds.  They are small tubers that are ready to plant.  Always buy organic seeds.  Period.  You can buy seed potatoes online or in nurserys available in Southern California just after Christmas, and sometimes in the late Fall.  They usually purchase the seed from other states which have snow and don’t ship during the winter.  Buying online or from organic catalogs allows you to shop among a wide variety of  potatoes differing in size, color and purpose.  However since we can plant potatoes in the Fall and don’t want to wait for shipping times, we can buy a bag of organic potatoes locally and sprout them ourselves.  Non-organic potatoes have been treated so that they don’t sprout in the store, and are genetically modified (GMO) to last on the shelf.  Sprouting potatoes is called ‘chitting’ and is very easy.  Mine usually sprout in a bowl on my kitchen counter.  Keep them in a light, cool area out of direct sunlight and they’ll grow.  When the potatoes have chitted and ‘greened’ (have sprouts), you can either plant them whole or slice them so that each piece has at least one eye.  Allow them to harden off and plant them.  Give the extras to your neighbor!

    Potatoes can be grown in the ground, or in a raised bed, and then you hill up around the plant to produce more tubers.
    Potatoes can be grown in the ground, or in a raised bed, and then you hill up around the plant to produce more tubers.

    The reason for growing trashcan potatoes is that you can grow vertically, save garden space, and in particular save your back from trenching, hilling and then digging.  The harvest is more productive, too, because you won’t be accidentally cutting through or spearing potatoes in the ground. Potatoes can grow this way because the tubers are actually specialized underground stems called stolons.  Potatoes will produce tubers underground, but anywhere along their stems they also can grow a potato under the right conditions.  Once you plant a potato ‘eye’, the eyes being the growth buds, it will send out stolons.  The plant will produce potatoes below ground, and if you hill up around the stems they will also begin to swell and produce tubers.

    I have extra milk crates, and a source for more, so why not use them?
    I have extra milk crates, and a source for more, so why not use them?

    When you plant in a trash can (with drainage holes!), as the greens shoot up you keep layering compost or straw or woodshavings or potting soil or whatever around the stems keeping a little green showing until you can’t fill the trashcan anymore.

    I lined the bottoms and the outside edges with extra paper bags and watered them.
    I lined the bottoms and the outside edges with extra paper bags and watered them.

    When the plant is done growing the plant will bloom and sometimes even produce seeds.  When the stems die back, you knock over your trashcan and harvest.  Save some of the smaller ‘taters for seed for planting in the Fall.

    I filled the crates 2/3s full with compost mixed with chicken straw and watered well. You don't want heavy soil or the potatoes will rot.
    I filled the crates 2/3s full with compost mixed with chicken straw and watered well. You don’t want heavy soil or the potatoes will rot.  You also want to insulate the potatoes from outside warmth.

    You can also root around in there earlier and pick new potatoes, or you can delay your harvest, keep water out of the trashcan and keep it in a cool spot, and harvest when you want them.  The beauty of trashcan gardening is that you don’t need a trashcan.  Very zen!  You can drill holes in a plastic carrier, use burlap sacks, stack old tires, nursery containers, large plant pots or whatever you have. If you have a bottomless or rusted out trashcan, use it!  Place it over good garden soil and allow the potatoes to grow down, too.  You’ll have a little digging to harvest after you knock over your trashcan full of potatoes, but not much. To make holes in a plastic or aluminum trash can, borrow a digging bar (a long metal pry bar), place your trashcan right-side up on a dirt area, hold the bar high vertically over your trash can pointy side down and let it go. It should make a hole.  Or turn the can over and use a hammer and something sharp like an awl or screwdriver (be careful you don’t shatter the top of the screwdriver!  You don’t have to pound too hard.  Be wise and wear safety glasses just in case).  Do this multiple times to make as many holes as you can without making the bottom unstable.

    Also be sure to keep the trashcan or crate potatoes in a cool place, especially if you are planting in the early spring here in Southern California.  Warmth will keep the potato stems from swelling into tubers.  Insulate the potatoes well and keep them cool while still allowing them enough sunlight.  Fall and winter are the best times for planting potatoes here, as long as they have adequate drainage.

    There is concern about leaching chemicals from plastic, or tires, or aluminum.  Do the research and make yourself happy.  I don’t think there is that much leaching to be worried about because the plants aren’t in there for a long time.  You can always make a barrier between the soil and the sides of the containers with undyed paper or newspapers using soy ink.  So save your garden space for other crops, and pop your ‘tatties in a can.  Or crate.  Or whatever.

    Update: here is a very comprehensive article about planting potatoes. Rather than use commercial fertilizer, of course, we recommend rich compost, which will provide what your potatoes need. Also use dead garden debris such as old pea stalks (cut rather than pull them up to allow the nitrogen nodules on the roots to remain in the soil) in your planting bed or container. 

    I planted whole potatoes just because I didn't have room for lots of cut ones and these needed planting or tossing.
    I planted whole potatoes just because I didn’t have room for lots of cut ones and these needed planting or tossing.  I then covered them with about an inch of light compost and now I’m waiting!

  • Gardening adventures,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Seeds,  Vegetables

    A Nursery Bed

    Twenty six varieties in one bed.
    Twenty six varieties in one bed.

    I had a frustrating time with seeds already this season.  There is a limited time when I can use my greenhouse (which doesn’t have all the frills such as fans, automated watering and window-opening) because the weather here becomes warm very quickly.  I planted six flats of six six-packs each of various seeds.  Many were coming up when a mouse tunneled underneath and not only ate all the larger seeds but dug into most of the rest of the cups, tossing or burying the small seed.  I tried again, but the little guy found another way in.  It is difficult to plant seeds around the property due to not having overhead watering, and having such a healthy insect habitat.  So instead I’ve turned one of my raised beds into a nursery bed.  I planted 26 types of veggies in good garden soil.  They’ll come up and grow good tap roots, then be ready to transplant out to wherever I want them.  Some will stay in this bed, and some will be given to friends because, after all, there are only so many tomato plants I can have.

    Nursery bed behind mixed greens.
    Nursery bed behind mixed greens.

    The bed in front of the nursery bed is the one where I scattered mixed seeds a while back, and now have a healthy crop of collards, broccoli rabe, celery, parsnips, carrots, kale, garlic, leeks, lettuce, arugula, peas and others. Mixing seeds helps confuse predators and keeps the plants healthier.

    So many veg in one bed!
    So many veg in one bed!

  • Animals,  Chickens,  Compost,  Gardening adventures,  Hugelkultur,  Permaculture and Edible Forest Gardening Adventures,  Soil,  Worms

    Strawberry-flavored Hugelkultur, Please

    A few months ago my daughter and I thinned out the raised strawberry bed.

    Way too many plants.
    Way too many plants.

    I planted the extra strawberries under the passionvine arch,

    Under the passionvine trellis.
    Under the passionvine trellis.

    using well pooed and pecked and rained-upon straw from the Fowl Fortress as mulch.

    Good yucky straw.
    Good yucky straw.

    However the soil level in the raised bed has become lower, and the Bermuda grass has grown higher.  Time for a re-do.

    When I’d originally planted the bed a few years ago, I’d heard about burying wood to hold moisture and improve the soil. Some little thing we call… hugelkultur.  I laid old lime tree logs along one side.  They began to break down and some really cool mushrooms came up.

    Cool mushrooms.
    Cool mushrooms.

    Strawberries sent runners out and they rooted right in the wood.  A great success.

    Strawberries rooted right in the wood!
    Strawberries rooted right in the wood!

    Since I don’t have ready compost to fill such a large bed right now, I decided to do the hugel-thing in the entire bed.  I spent several hours digging out the strawberries and the Bermuda grass.

    Making the bed: everyone out!
    Making the bed: everyone out!

    Then I pulled the soil back and was simply amazed.

    Beautiful soil
    Beautiful soil

    It was crumbly like prime worm castings.  I lined the bottom of the raised bed with the logs on top of the wire I’d laid across the bottom to deter gophers and mice.

    Old lime logs.
    Old lime logs.

    Then I shoveled heavy clay out of the new bog area and threw that in and around the logs; the wood would decompose and turn the clay to great soil, and the clay already had a lot of interesting microscopic creatures in it from being at the edge of the pond.

    Heavy clay.  And I do mean heavy.
    Heavy clay. And I do mean heavy.

    On top of that I sprinkled some pigeon guano I recently received from some wonderful new friends who rescue pigeons.  (They are wonderful even if they hadn’t given me the guano.  I have many friends who, in fact, are guano-less.  Just to clarify.)  There were a lot of pigeon peas in the guano, but if they sprout its all good because they are nitrogen fixers and will only help things along.  Some sugar was added to help stir up the bacteria in the clay.All along I watered everything in, including hosing down Lark the fat, barren Barred Rock hen who just wouldn’t take no for an answer and kept jumping into the bed to steal the worms!

    Get away from my worms, Lark!
    Get away from my worms, hens!

    My hens are such prima-donnas that they refuse to eat sowbugs and just go for worms.  Geez!  Lark got back at me later by making me come after her when it was time to shut them in for the night.

    The last layer on the bed (and I don’t mean a chicken) was the good soil into which I replanted the strawberries.  I did this process in thirds and ended up with a lot of extra strawberries.

    A third section done.
    A third section done.

    As it was nearing sunset and I was becoming chilly in my shorts and sleeveless shirt, I hurriedly planted the extras up under the passionfruit trellis, in with the others from the previous planting. Most of them had happily survived.

    Finished!
    Finished!

    The leftover soil I sprinkled on top, laid the soaker hose back on top, and voila!  A somewhat shocked but hopefully soon-to-be-happier strawberry bed.

    There are a couple of wild mallards that come to the pond and have grown trusting of me up to a point.  I throw game bird food by the pond for them.  I don’t want to tame them, but I like it that they don’t fly off in a fright every time I come near.  Its better for their health not to be so stressed.  Makes me feel good, too.

    Hen line-up.   But what is in the coop behind them?
    Hen line-up. But what is in the coop behind them?

    While I was digging I looked up to find my hens all in a row watching me, and beyond them inside the Fowl Fortress (the door of which I’d propped open) were the two mallards!  They were perfectly content to be eating what the hens hadn’t eaten, and were even sitting in there enjoying… I don’t know… forbidden territory?

    Just make yourself at home!
    Just make yourself at home!

    The alluring and romantic smell of chicken poop?  After awhile Miss Amelia wandered in there and the mallards wandered out.  They’re welcome in there, but if they want me to build them a castle of their own, forget it.  They already have the floating duck house, after all!